BakemonoJutsu (化物術) Part 1

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CHECK THIS CITES:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obake

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kahaku.go.jp%...

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesaurus.web...

http://www.paranormalknowledge.com/articles/what-are-spiritual-guides.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija

http://museumoftalkingboards.com/

For Christian: http://www.thedayofthelordisathand.com/takeheed.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_guide

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%88%E8%AD%B7%E9%9C%8A

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/06/world/asia/06iht-shaman.1.6527738.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_shamanism

(Shingyo is also known as Shinto)

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ChosunNinja 

@maarhoefe

According to the book experts and his pawn friend..Bakemono is putting on a halloween costum. LOL


Arian Wijkstra 

bakemono is a mutant or monster. akuma is evil oni i a demon youkai a ghost or type of demon just seperating some oftenly confused words


key11207 

i believe its true except you dont need demons to be able to do this is how the demons trick you we native americans also have legends like that of people transforming so i believe this


ChosunNinja 

@zhapness

The word means "changed thing" or Monster.

It sure isn't putting on a custom of a priest or monk and calling it disguise technique. They would call it a "disguise" rather than "changing or transformation" into a monster technique.

* I truly hope people with normal common sense see the different between "Changing" and "Disguising" skills and also catch the BS excuses people make to cover up their own misinterpreted ignorance*


zhapness 

Bakemono means monster or devil right?


ChosunNinja 

@therealkakkamakkara

Is this like saying playing with Quija boards is okay because you really don't believe and it's only symbolic markings on the board? Maybe tap water is better than purified water for Holy water during exorcism? After all, its symbolism right? Or is there actually recognized even by the supernatural forces? Is there no merit in what Jesus taught people then?

Satan really care what you believe as long as you give him passage through ignorance?


DrakeFang1 

I practise Hermeticism, and I can tell you, spirits are very real to those that have unlocked their dormant faculties.

Con/artists and stage-magicians were people that saw the Holy Powers of the true mystics/magicians, and tried to imitate them. Naturally failing, because they did not have the proper training.


Oriru Bastard 

Well yeah. It really depends on which way you look at it.

In atheist perspective it's just some crazy guys doing a tradition and it makes as much sense as people going in to church pray to for invisible floating ball in a sky.

Christian perspective would be BLASTPHEMY!!

Agnostic perspective... Cool, tell me more.

How it works, what's the idea behind of it? Hmm... Makes sense?

You might be right.


LosBats 

part 2

but to say that it was all made up for the sake of subterfuge i believe doesn't really make sense, something doesn't come from nothing, even the way we cut meat most probably had a religious significance. I believe the mistake that the modern world makes is that we think that the people of older times think exactly the way that we do now i.e they didn't care about spirituality, so of course they won't believe in occult practices of the time and sadly of our time as well.


LosBats 

I think perhaps it's difficult for the modern mindset to comprehend or truely accept that the civilizations of the past were supertitious and people of faith, they needed to worship something, everyone reads it in history class or in books and is says that clearly but it's just a story to them, they accept it but don't really believe it. I personaly think that perhaps to some clans it was just a skill set passed down and they either forgot or didn't pay attention to the rituals much like today.


ChosunNinja 

@ninjamixer

Wait, you got to see the next set of videos. Antony brought in another person but he is very respectful to me. But after watching Antony video with this person in it.

I was compelled to make another video with references they have to claim is wrong now. I am not as educated as they claim...but this was to easy to expose the truth. I think the Lord is with me on this one.


Landfear 

There is too much proof in the applications of many practices of the east that there are abstract forces involved. Feats that go far beyond that of any normal or even highly trained specialists are possible. It is no con when they can provide the goods. No that being said I have often encountered many frauds that could not provide the goods...so I can also understand why someone might doubt it. Either way it still boils down to what a person experiences. Bakemono Jutsu is quite a feasible thing


Landfear 

ok a non bias party chiming in here....and please don't misunderstand me when I say that I really couldn't give two rips about the personal agendas here..I mean no disrespect to either of you. As a person that goes off what can be measured and recorded I have to acknowledge that eastern practices provide a very LARGE grey area as to what is and is not possible. This argument comes down to this...very plain and simple.....perspective. Because either Bakemono Jutsu is real or its not.


THRILLINGSTATIC1234 

ChosunNinja Wins


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

LOL. You side step the whole spiritual concept of Ninjutsu because you are not educated in these matters and now claim i am side stepping? I know more about it then you do and i even reject it as a Christian.

Just wow!!!!!!!! You are not the expert you claim. I am getting really really disappoint.


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

All of it has! As i see them.

You should train in Nintai-jutsu and maybe patience will not escape you.


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

Side step? Are you not the one who can not answer me? Confused again?

Please don't reduce yourself to the level of your pawn and answer me. Where are the roots of sohei 僧兵.

You going left or you going right with your steps now?


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

Supernatural beings (spirits) are not wise that they can't do infiltration? They can't assist humans with infiltration? I would think they make it even easier.

This is to difficult for you to comprehend? This answer still not good enough for you? Try another angle of attack Antony. Intelligent people are probably laughing at this


Antony Cummins 

Sidestepping the issue will not change the fact, Bakemono jutsu has nothing to do with channeling the dead. Ever. It is that simple.


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

I still say it!!!!!

I gave you your own "NO FAITH" logic example which you are now trying to twist. For the record and for my conscience sake...EXORCISM and Spirit invitation rituals are very much BAKEMONOJUTSU.

Your standards and logic example with even no faith involved I gave you which you are now trying to claim I twist the words is a poor angle. No I mean PATHETIC and desperate angle.


Antony Cummins 

How is Bakemonojutsu channeling spirits while Fujibayashi says it is infiltration. Answer the question. Its not hard.


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

Your denial of Buddhism and spirituality is blinding you from my answers.

Where the hell did Fujibayashi say:

"There is absolutely NO spirits and buddhism rituals in Ninjutsu and you should automatically throw out any claims of it and this is skill only in Ninjutsu infiltration"

ANSWER ME!


Antony Cummins 

stop sidestepping with the history of monks. Sohei/Yamabushi different. How is channeling the dead the same as infiltration. please answer and approve ALL videos!


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

Please enlighten me. Where did the Sohei during feudal Japan time get their fighting training & roots from again? Perhaps even enlighten me at which time period this all could have started? I would love to hear your version so i can become less confused. Tell me how the OLD SCHOOL mountain warrior monks 山伏 doesn't have influence on the Feudal time NEW SCHOOL warrior monks 僧兵 again?

now you don't avoid the question or skip around. Fair enough?.


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja You said Bakemonojutsu was the art of channeling spirits, its well documented in your video. You said it was dangerous and to do with conecting to the dead. That is a total different issue to real Bakemonojutsu. How do you explain your channelling the dead and the historical skill of infiltration.


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

How is it different? Fujibayashi not mentioning the obvious truth about buddhism and spirituality involved in Ninjutsu makes the transformation technique different?

Not adding faith matter, going by even your standards of infiltration...if you disguised yourself as a fraud buddhist & acted like you were demon possessed, will it not work even under your NO FAITH base standards for infiltration?

BUT!... Unfortunately, getting something from a temple requires what? No spirituality?


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja No i am not at all. You are saying that Yamabushi were fighting monks. This is not the aim of Yamabushi. You mean Sohei the fighting monks. Stop avoidiung teh question. Why is your Bakemono jutsu different to Fujibayshi's Bakemono jutsu?


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

The beginning 山伏 or even Yamabito(山人 )and the roots of Ninjutsu in Japan and feudal Japan sohei (僧兵)who cross trained in fighting arts later are different time if I may enlighten you.

I am pretty positive you are the one confused now.


Antony Cummins 

Answer this Question (again i ask) Why is your version of Bakemono Jutsu different to Fujibayashi's version? Why. 100% diferent. Please explain this. No faith comments, not twisting, straight answer. Stop side stepping


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

I have not avoided any of your comments. If you continue to lie blatantly like this, do you really expect me to trust you and work with you? You and i know the truth. Everyone else can be lied to. But I know the truth so i am taking this as your true nature.

Avoiding this question as my answer. Ninjutsu is not rooted with buddhism and the spiritual aspect is not authentic? Your Ninjutsu has no spirituality & stickily on spying skills? The source can not teach me?


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja Answer the question below.


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja some have come up now, not all.


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja you are mixing up Sohei and Yamabushi


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

Why can't you see all your comments? What did I not approve again? Since people can see you claim this and I even approved it, would you like to post your imaginary comment again? I'll apporve it.

You now this desperate to resort to this Antony?


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja Greg, stop it. I do not know this guy, i sent him the info because you got it wrong and i do not wish to do videos against you. Answer the questions. STop avoiding them. Why is your version of Bakemono Jutsu 100% different to Fujibayashi's and whats the conection between Yamabushi and ninja in this context. Why are you learning ninjutsu from a monk? Press approve on all please.


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

You who is "calm" and yet claims to want to work with me sends his unqualified and ignorant pawn to attack me and claim i lie. Can I be a little uneasy or uncomfortable with all the daggers on my back? Fujibayashi didn't mention buddhism or rituals doesn't mean its opposite! You still trying to say Buddhism & Ninjutsu is a fraud?

Get your people to learn from your books. It's fine with me. People buy "how to do karate" books all the time. But I encourage training from real people.


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja why did you not approve this one? The one about the orgins of Bakemonojutsu?


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja are you sure you do not mean Sohei, i think you have confused the two.


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

My teacher and his humble teachings informed me that they were also warrior monks. Was this not in your books and am I again 100% wrong?

Can you enlighten me then? "Warriror" monks suppose to not fight?


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

Antony, you send your ignorant pawn & attack me and claim you wish to work with me? Did i declare war? Your pawn sold you out proudly and this stance is for Human SOULS and not about our petty differences anymore.

The "bottom" of this is HELL with unclean spirits and I wish not to go there or anyone including you and your pawn for that matter. Shall we learn EXORCISM from the fighting monks perhaps and work together then?

Educate your pawns before sending them.


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja No, i am saying something very very simple. Bakemonojutsu is VERY well defined in 1676. In 2011 Greg Park says it is totally different, the reason for this is that some monks told you. So monks in 20th cent, told you something opposite to Fujibayashi, even though Fujibayshi is the origin of the word. So, the guy who brought it to history, fujibayshi is wrong because Greg Park says so? That is the problem here. When you are questioned you get angry? Please answer.


ChosunNinja 

@TSOAS2008

So Buddhism (spiritual) and Ninjutsu (Mythology) connection is a fraud? You are saying Fujibayashi said so? You always take things out to serve your purpose and argument or is people suppose to ignore all the facts about Ninjutsu as a whole and blind ourselves and only eat what you serve?

How does the saying go again?

"You are not sure how "you" can debunk information from hattori, natori, and now even Fujibayashi and no one is noticing?


Antony Cummins 

@Gremlinshag Jay jay you have missed the argument here. Greg is saying Bakemono jutsu is to do with spirits, i am saying that Bakemonbo jutsu is well defined in ninja litriture as a physical and mental skill to infiltrate. this has nothing to do with Faith or Belief. Greg will not show where his alternative version comes from, its simply taught to him and differs from Fujibayashi. Which is where the term orginates.


Antony Cummins 

@ChosunNinja why are Yamabushi fighting monks? Where did you get this from?


Antony Cummins 

I am sorry that you have taken this stance, this entire episode is not ment to be a war but an exercise in understanding Bakemonojutsu. Lets still work together to get to the bottom of this.


ChosunNinja 

@ipdy

If you want to know who claims "TRANSFORMATION"...you are going to have to ask the small pawn who leads people with his ignorance or his chessmaster who encourages everyone to learn from his sugarcoated books. They ignore that Buddhism (spiritual) is a part of Ninja when it's convenient to them and claim Buddhist "fighting monks" were teaching only spy skills rather than spiritual matters as an argument now.

The twisting & backing out of his claims & view points is pretty weak.


Mindaugas Sidaravičius 

@ChosunNinja

When you are saying "transform" I hope you don't mean transform physically. Can you describe with more details what do you mean when you say transform. And if this thing is real how come I have not noticed any people use something like this in life, cause I do a lot of research on stuff like that and always end up in the dead end. Some times I even think that maybe people who says "this is all bullshit" are right.


ChosunNinja 

FYI: Yamabushi are fighting monks who live in the mountains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They did Martial Arts and ESOTERIC BUDDHISM of Shingon (真言), Shinto,Tendai practices was not EXCLUDED!...In other words they have it all!

If you claim Ninja has nothing to do with this...Hatori, Natori and all the real Ninja would all roll in their graves with your lies and ignorance.


ChosunNinja 

@SupeRadJUSTable

What I have always been amused by are the so called authentic Ninjutsu monopoly organizations who mock me for being a Christian. Their IGNORANCE of Ninja being very spiritual & also intelligence gathers would perhaps lead them to the highest source is absent in their minds and hearts.

How FAKE can you get when you are not spiritual or have a faith base and call yourself authentic Ninjutsu??? They mock their own stupidity when they slander me for choosing the highest Spirit.


ChosunNinja 

For those who insist this is a lie...Research this:

Shamanism in "Yamabushi" comes from Korea and also in Shinto. If people think "FIGHTING MONKS" do not do EXORCISM for this Ghost transformation also known as Bakemonojutsu...You are AGAIN terribly mistaken and misleading others with speculation rather than seeing the obvious proof this is demon possessions. Why the hell would YAMABUSHI monks perform EXORCISM ?!

RESEARCH it if you think I have something to hide.